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Beyond Well · Dec. 13, 2019

The Pitfalls and Privilege of Helping People in Crisis

FEATURING: Sheila Hamilton, C. Lamar Frizzell
TAGS: Hospitals, Mental Health, Mental Illness, Psychiatric Care, Psychiatry, Psychology

Sheila talks with C. Lamar Frizzell about the enormous pressure facing psychiatric hospitals due to an explosion of people in crisis.

By Sheila Hamilton

C. Lamar Frizzell, CEO of Cedar Hills Hospital, has worked in the field of behavioral healthcare for over 20 years.

Most recently, Frizzell held a similar role at Willow Creek Behavioral Health located in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Frizzell brings practical experience as a line-staff member and is educated in the fields of both Mental Health and Divinity

In this interview, Sheila talks with Frizzell about the enormous pressure facing psychiatric hospitals because of an explosion of people in crisis. There are never enough beds, care is complicated, and psychiatric doctors and nurses are in short supply.

Frizzell’s personal history growing up in a home where mental health problems were abundant informs his compassion and empathy for people in crisis.

Beyond Well · Dec. 9, 2019

Creating a Meaningful Life

FEATURING: Jenna LeJeune, Jason Luoma
TAGS: Psychiatrists, Psychologists, Therapists, Therapy

Jenna and Jason offer ideas on what it means to live a value based life and how it can bring a sense of meaning, purpose, and vitality to our everyday lives.

By Jenna LeJeune

Focusing on Who and What Matters Most

What makes a meaningful life? How Can we all live lives of purpose, focusing on who and what matters most to us regardless of whatever difficulties we are facing?

These are the questions at the heart of Beyond Well co-host Jenna LeJeune, Ph.D. and her partner Jason Luoma, Ph.D.’s new book “Values in Therapy: A Clinician’s Guide to Helping Clients Explore Values, Increase Psychological Flexibility, and Live a More Meaningful Life“.

In this very personal episode of Beyond Well, Jenna and Jason offer some of their ideas on what it means to live a value based life and how doing so can bring a sense of meaning, purpose, and vitality to our everyday lives.

Beyond Well · Dec. 2, 2019

How a Gay, Southern, Former Pastor Found her Voice

FEATURING: Sheila Hamilton, Nastashia Minto
TAGS: Faith, Lesbian, Religion, Sexuality, Spirituality, Spoken Word, poetry

Nastashia Minto talks about finding faith while abandoning her religion and delivers two of her stunning spoken word performances.

By Sheila Hamilton

Spirituality vs. Religion

Nastashia Minto is an author, poet, and spoken word artist with the Soul of a Southern Pastor. In this interview, Nastashia talks about finding faith while abandoning her religion and delivers two of her stunning spoken word performances.

Beyond Well · Nov. 25, 2019

It’s the Most Difficult Time of the Year!

FEATURING: Dr. Jenna LeJeune, Dr. Brian Goff
TAGS: Christmas, Depression, Gratitude, Grief, Holiday, Seasonal Affective Disorder, Thanksgiving

This is one of the most relevant conversations you’ll hear if you hunker down from late November until the New Year.

By Sheila Hamilton

This is one of the most relevant conversations you’ll hear if you hunker down from late November until the New Year.

The holiday blues are often a barometer of the stories we tell ourselves about what we should have, and compare those narratives to stories about what others seem to have.

We invite you to a discussion on what some view as the hardest time of the year.

Beyond Well · Oct. 7, 2019

Creativity, anxiety, and helping kids become their own superheroes

FEATURING: Kathleen Lane
TAGS: Anxiety, Compulsivity, Creativity, Fear, Obsession, ocd

Tips for anxious children and pre-teens as well as brilliant takeaways for parents who cope with adult-sized worries.

By Sheila Hamilton

Turning Kids’ Worry into Courage

“Worry is courage waiting to get out.”
“I was born to make mistakes, not fake perfection.”
“Worries are just the things you don’t know yet.”

These are the kinds of statements that people who attend Kathleen Lane’s “Create More, Fear Less” workshops come up with. If only we could all be so wise! And who are these shining beacons of acceptance and wisdom? Middle schoolers, specifically, 4th-8th graders who struggle with significant anxiety. Yep, that’s right. After spending time in one of Kathleen’s “Fearless” clubs, these middle schoolers have been able to shift their relationship to their anxiety in a way that I rarely see even in adults. So what’s her secret? Through modeling her own humanity and using creativity to help kids explore their feelings rather than pathologizing them, Kathleen helps kids face their fears and worries. In doing so, the kids become their own superheros!

Kathleen Lane comes at this work honestly. A writer and creator, Kathleen is also someone who has an anxious mind. Even though she does not come at this from a clinical or therapy background, found so much in her work to be consistent with the ACT (Acceptance and Commitment Therapy) approach that I have found so helpful in my work as a therapist and also in my own personal life. In fact, I can see all 6 of the core ACT processes (Willingness/Acceptance, Defusion, Contact with the Present Moment, Flexible Perspective Taking/Self-As-Context, Values, and Committed Action) masterfully demonstrated in the Create More, Fear Less program:


One of the coolest parts of Kathleen Lane approach is that she doesn’t just help kids tolerate their anxiety, she actually helps open up to and even, at times, appreciate it. By helping them see that the same mind that gives them worries and anxieties, is also the same mind that helps them be creative and dream, Kathleen’s approach is one of making space for (i.e. willingness) rather than putting up with (i.e. resignation to) anxiety.


Kathleen’s program uses metaphor and physicalizing creativity exercises to help kids be able to take a step back to look at thoughts rather than just from their thoughts. They become curious about their thoughts and feelings, seeing them as something to explore and look at rather than something that needs to be eliminated.

Contact with the Present Moment

Worry is all about an imagined future. By helping kids become more aware of and curious about what they are actually experiencing in this moment, even if it is unpleasant like a racing heart or sweaty palms, the Fearless program helps kids move out of the virtual reality of the mind and into their actual lived experience, which is where life and learning occur.

Flexible Perspective Taking

Each participant in the workshops, including the facilitators, share their worries and experiences with one another. For example, each session starts with the kids writing down worry on a rock and then sharing that with the group. This helps participants see that they are not alone. In addition, if they notice that they respond with kindness or understanding to other people’s worries, they may be able to see that they could respond to their own worries with that same compassion.

Values and Committed Action

The Fearless program isn’t actually focused on helping kids not feel fear or “get over” their anxiety. It’s about helping them connect with and move towards something that is more important than their fear and anxiety. In this way, the anxiety may still be present, but it’s not running the show.

I was so inspired after speaking with Kathleen Lane and hearing about the work she is doing. I really wish we could have more programs of like this to give kids (and adults!) the tools they need to be more accepting of their scary or painful thoughts or feelings while at the same time, become their own superheroes focused on what is actually important to them. I hope you’ll take some time to check out her website, and her book “The Best Worst Thing”.

And if you don’t happen to be lucky enough to be a middle schooler in one of Kathleen’s programs, but are interested in developing some of the skills around acceptance, mindfulness, and valued action that is so consistent with Kathleen’s approach, you can find an ACT therapist in your area here.

Beyond Well · Aug. 12, 2019

Embracing your Darkest Story

FEATURING: Sheila Hamilton, Sharma Shields
TAGS: Abuse, Alcoholism, Drunk, Fiction, Multiple Sclerosis, Writing

Sharma Shields wants us all to get real about the things we’ve done, the mistakes we’ve made, and the people we are hoping to become.

By Sheila Hamilton

How We Forgive Ourselves for Our Biggest Mistakes

Sharma Shields wants us all to get real about the things we’ve done, the mistakes we’ve made, and the people we are hoping to become.

Her writing, including her highly acclaimed novels, The Sasquatch Hunter’s Almanac, and the Cassandra, along with her award-winning short story collection, challenges readers to confront the most awful aspects of our society–sexual abuse, poverty, crimes against children, bullying, and environmental injustice.

But, Sharma is equally as open with her own life story, including alcoholism and living with multiple sclerosis.

Sitting down with her was sheer joy, complete honesty, and a loving openness. How can we be both things? Both dark and light? Listen in.

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